On the United States
It is not in favor of the fight for technological hegemony, because globalization is interdependent, and a company that makes a product alone will surely fall behind.
Science and technology between China and the United States will not be decoupled, but will depend on each other. The entity list will not be revoked. Huawei is the only company blocked. Other companies can still buy American goods.
Only when China develops, will it have more money to buy American planes, American cars, American food and other products.
There is no concern that the list of U.S. entities poses a threat to Huawei's survival, but there are some concerns about whether Huawei will still be an advanced company in three to five years.
On the issue of containing Huawei, the politicians in the United States are relatively unified, so we have made preparations for the long-term irrevocable entity list.
Huawei has been subject to the strictest regulation in the world for more than a decade, and every country will suspect us, and every intelligence agency will keep an eye on us, and problems have long been identified.
It is impossible for the United States to exit globalization, and it still needs the Chinese market.
Our Japan Institute and Japanese companies areMobile phoneThere is good cooperation. The biggest characteristic of the Japanese people is that they are good at making a lot of things very exquisite and making mobile phones very small, which is the advantage of Japan. Therefore, we have a lot of investment in Japan to strengthen cooperation with Japanese companies.
The Japanese government has always separated politics from economy. There are political conflicts, but the economy is getting hot.
There is a very great complementary relationship between China and Japan. China has a certain ability of system integration, Japan has very excellent material science and precision manufacturing technology, the combination of the two can form a very good product.
We can understand that some consumers may not choose Huawei mobile phones for some time, but we will try to change the status quo.
Talking about the Technology
On the 5g, because Huawei has invested early and heavily, we are in the lead for the time being, which is only temporary. We are also starting to study 6G synchronously. Because 6G uses high frequency, wide bandwidth and weak coverage, it has not been taken as the main force for the time being. The use of 6G may be ten years later.
Ren Zhengfei believes that the impact of future artificial intelligence is greater than that of Jobs' mobile Internet, but the invention is not necessarily Huawei.
On talents of Huawei
The number of employees worldwide has increased to 194000, an increase of thousands. Because we have to make up a lot of holes, and we need more talented people to come in.
American contact with us is not allowed by the U.S. government, and once it is considered possible to have American elements, it will intervene. Therefore, it is a great loss for us to fail to employ such excellent talents as the United States.
There are already a lot of local executives. We have more than 30,000 foreign employees, as well as a large number of foreign employees on the board of directors of grass-roots subsidiaries. If foreign employees do not come from Huawei grass-roots layer by layer, then entering the board of directors is just a decoration, no power.
Here is Ren Zhengfei's interview with Kyodo
Ren Zhengfei: thank you for coming. First of all, express sympathy for Typhoon Haybeth hit Japan, but also express condolences to the affected people. At the same time, congratulations to Yoshino on winning the Nobel Prize! Yoshino's 38-year obscure research spirit is worth learning from Huawei, and if Chinese scientists can study one thing tirelessly for 38 years, it could do a better job for the country.
I have a very good impression of Japan, which is also a place that other members of our family like very much. Many spirits of the Japanese people are worth learning. I'd like to interview you today. You can ask any questions you like. Don't be afraid of being too sharp.
Chen has known 2, Kyodo News Agency China General Administration Director: thank Ren busy to give us an interview. I first met Huawei in Shanghai in 2012, when I was in charge of the Shanghai Branch. I attended the Huawei Institute's press conference in Shanghai, when I didn't know Huawei at all. I realized for the first time that there were such large and private enterprises in China.
After that, I had the opportunity to communicate with Huawei people all the time. If there is no mistake, Scott, the head of media affairs at Huawei's headquarters, was an American. At that time, Huawei just developed a mobile phone prototype, and he was happy to introduce it to us. Since then, I have paid close attention to Huawei and always wanted to have an interview with president Ren. Today, it is a great pleasure and honor to see that Huawei mobile phones are welcomed all over the world and realize the dream of Interviewing Mr. Ren. please be concerned.
Ren Zhengfei: Very glad you visited our Shanghai Institute. It was a chance decision for us to make a mobile phone, when we sold 3G to the world at that time, without the mobile phone, the system could not be sold, so we learned to make a mobile phone. How big was the earliest 3G phone? Toyota Cooster, Japan, a Cooster can only install a mobile phone, that is, the various components add up to fill a Cooster, on the Shanghai road, to test our base station; and then we step by step to make this "Cooster phone" small, to today's level, walked a long road for more than ten years. On the mobile phone, early we should be more failure than success, through a lot of winding road, now start a little success, does not mean very successful, so we still have to work hard.
We have a good cooperation with Japanese companies in mobile phones. The biggest characteristic of Japanese people is that they are good at making a lot of things very delicate, and mobile phones are very small, which is Japan's advantage. Therefore, we have a lot of investment in Japan and strengthen cooperation with Japanese companies.
Ren Zhengfei: I don't think we will enter the new cold war. As the United States continues to close itself, China will step by step increase its opening-up. As the United States closes down, China will open up even more. Only when two countries want to close themselves can cold war emerge, and when they are open, there will be no cold war. The U.S. needs China's market, and if it lacks a part of the market, it will have an impact on its economy. Take automobiles as an example. The number of automobiles in China is 400 million now. If it is renewed every ten years on average, the annual demand for automobiles is 40-50 million. In the auto industry, last year, China has set a timetable for increasing opening up in the next five years. The auto industry can be wholly owned and can not transfer technology. Moreover, the tariff is falling in five years, and will eventually fall to a very low level. European cars are high-end cars, Japanese cars are high-quality cars, Chinese people are very welcome, very like. American cars are mainly reflected in the fact that they are very big and consume a lot of fuel. The United States should actively strive for Chinese people to buy their cars. As a result, the trade war also increased the tariff on their cars by 25%. It is difficult for American cars to compete with Japanese cars without tariffs. Is it more difficult to add 25% tariffs? If the U.S. government wants to understand in a few years and open up again, the Chinese market has been occupied by cars in Europe and Japan. It is impossible for the United States to withdraw from globalization. It still needs the Chinese market.
China's financial industry has been opened to a great extent in the past two days. As long as China remains open, globalization cannot be divided into two groups. At present, there are some disputes between the two countries over the trade war, which can be settled through negotiation. China and Japan have handled this issue well, and there have been contradictions between China and Japan over the years. The Japanese government has always separated politics from the economy, and there have been political conflicts, but it has been economically hot. It is believed that after President Xi's visit to Japan next year, Sino-Japanese relations will reach a new level, warming politically and developing greatly economically.
There is a great complementary relationship between China and Japan. China has a certain ability of system integration, Japan has excellent material science and precision manufacturing technology, and the combination of the two sides can form a good product. I have always expected China, Japan and South Korea to form a free trade area. All three countries are industrial countries and can complement each other's advantages. China, Japan and South Korea are an industrial free trade area. In the absence of agricultural products, ASEAN said, "I will join in, I can provide agricultural products, and I will buy your industrial products." in this way, China, Japan and South Korea free trade area will be combined with ASEAN. Europe said, "you are so big, so many people, we want to come in and sell things." the European Union will also join the trade zone. If China, Japan and South Korea free trade area, ASEAN agricultural free trade area and EU trade area join in, what is lacking? Energy. Countries in the Middle East and Central Asia say, "with so many of you and so developed economy, we will transport oil and natural gas to you." this will form a large Eurasian plate, which will surely support us to get rid of the crisis of economic recession. But the key here is the relationship between China and Japan. Resolving conflicts and uniting between China and Japan can play a core role in connecting the region. I very much hope that when President Xi Jinping visits Japan, he and Prime Minister Abe can reach a very good consensus.
When it comes to 5G, the main contradiction between China and the United States is the struggle for high-tech hegemony. Which enterprise can represent the IT field in China now? It should be Huawei. Do you agree with the claim that there is a competition for technological hegemony in the market?
Ren Zhengfei: I don't agree with the battle for technological hegemony, because globalization is interdependent, and a company will fall behind if it makes a product alone. The second law of thermodynamics says "entropy increase". If a closed system does not exchange material and energy with the outside world and does not break the balance, it will continue to increase entropy and finally fall into entropy death. I don't agree with the path of complete self-reliance. We should integrate the best parts from various companies into the best products for human beings through global division of labor and cooperation. If every part has to be made by itself, it can't be integrated into the best product. We may survive the U.S. supply cut-off crisis with our own spare parts now, but it can't guarantee that we will be the most advanced or leading in three or five years, so we must rely on the division of labor and cooperation of globalization to achieve continuous advancement. Japan has a particularly good place, the United States has a particularly good place, Europe has a particularly good place, China has some efforts, we can add up, to become the best thing in the world. Therefore, the world must adhere to the path of globalization.
I am not worried that the list of entities in the United States poses a threat to Huawei's survival, but I am worried about whether Huawei will still be an advanced company in three to five years. So we firmly rely on globalization and hope that Chinese scientists, like Mr. Yoshino, will work tirelessly for 38 years to provide advanced elements to enable us to move forward. The reason why the United States is so great is that it attracts talents from all over the world to innovate in the United States with advanced culture, advanced systems and strict property rights protection. And this innovation is hundreds of years, decades of accumulation, such a huge accumulation of a country, the soil is very fertile. The United States says it is possible to make better equipment in a few years than we do. I am worried that after our company weather the survival crisis, everyone thinks Huawei will continue to improve, which is impossible. Therefore, I strongly support the need to follow the path of globalization and not to promote self-closure.
4. Chen Jizhi 2: on the list of entities and Sino US relations, if the United States keeps the "list of entities" in the future, does the United States want to achieve decoupling from China? The Chinese government also holds the view that the United States should consider decoupling from China. Do you think the situation of decoupling or division between China and the United States will remain for a certain period of time in the future?
Ren Zhengfei: I don't think China and the United States will delink in science and technology, but they still have to depend on each other. The list of entities will not be revoked, only Huawei will be blocked, and other companies can still buy American things. Huawei's energy is not enough to change the track of globalization. There are also many unsanctioned companies that push the path of globalization forward. Huawei is only a small grain of rice in the process of economic development, and the impact on society will not be so great. I also hope that society will not split with the United States just because it sympathizes with Huawei. We have been hit, and others who have not been hit will take the opportunity to develop well.
Chen Sichi 2: now there is a saying in the society that if we really enter the new cold war and China and the United States really decouple, there will be two kinds of economic circles in the world: one is dominated by China, the other is dominated by the United States. If, in your opinion, this does not happen?
Ren Zhengfei: I don't think so. History has proved that closure will lead to backwardness, and only openness can be advanced. A small number of politicians want to decoupling, but many companies are reluctant to unhook, because decoupling things will sell less, how can they accept it? Everyone wants to sell more planes, more cars, more electronic components, and no manufacturer says, "I want to sell less." The purpose of running an enterprise is to sell more products, as long as someone wants to sell, some people want to buy, can not take off the hook.
5. Chensi II: in the 1960s and 1970s, Japan was in the stage of rapid economic growth. Many Japanese enterprises had the slogan: as an enterprise, it should catch up with the United States and surpass the United States. Mr. Ren, do you have the idea that Huawei will surpass or catch up with the United States?
Ren Zhengfei: it can only be said that we can surpass a company in the United States in one way, not a country in the United States. How powerful the United States is and how rich it is, so it is possible that we can only make a breakthrough in some way.
6. Chensi 2: with regard to 5g and future communication, now the world has entered the 5g era, and even 6G after 5g is under consideration. What changes will happen to China or Huawei? What role does Huawei play in 5g society?
Ren Zhengfei: on 5g, because Huawei has invested early and has a lot of power, we are in the lead for the time being, which is only temporary. We are also starting to study 6G synchronously. Because 6G uses high frequency, wide bandwidth and weak coverage, it has not been taken as the main force for the time being. The use of 6G may be ten years later. Our success in 5g also depends on the contribution of Japanese companies. We will continue to purchase a large number of Japanese devices.
Chen knows 2: you just said that 6G will take about ten years. Do you mean that 6G will be ready for business in ten years?
Ren Zhengfei: maybe it will be faster. It's just my conservative estimate. If 6G is only used as an access system and not as a wireless mobile communication market, 6G may be used in advance in a country with very developed optical fiber communication, such as Japan. In fact, for Huawei, we are worried that we will not be able to use up the bandwidth of 5g. We need to seek more bandwidth. Will it be more? Or according to the real use of 5g in the society, we can judge how much people need for bandwidth. With the development of society, people's demand will increase. New technology must be applied only when people have demand. The technology that exceeds people's demand is not used by people, and it is easy to starve to death.
7, Chen already knows 2: now it is said that 5G and AI are strongly related, if 6G, 6G will be more widely used. Now that mobile phones are so widely used in the 4G era, do you think the human way of life will change in the future?
Ren Zhengfei: I can't imagine the change of human life style. The development of information society is too fast. Let's not forget that a few years ago or earlier, you were very painful to be a journalist.4KIt takes two days and two nights for the telecom system to transmit information. Now it's one second away. At that time, we had to connect the phone line at home when we were surfing the Internet. One of jobs's inventions realized the mobile Internet. The development of the Internet was like a volcanic eruption, and one of his inventions had such an impact. Therefore, the combination of 5g and artificial intelligence will certainly promote social progress, but I can't imagine how far it has progressed.
Chen knows two: in the next 5G, AI era, you think it is possible to find such revolutionary innovation or invention as Jobs Mobile Internet, and it is possible for Huawei to make such an invention?
Ren Zhengfei: I think the impact of AI in the future is greater than that of jobs' mobile Internet, but this invention is not necessarily Huawei.
Chen: You mentioned that 5G and 6G have made great contributions to the development of the world. What kind of direction do you think of Huawei's future? Will it help with the popularity of 5G, 6G?
Ren Zhengfei: after massive data comes out, it must be transmitted and channeled. Huawei still focuses on the guidance, distribution, storage and processing of information flow, and will not leave these links.
Chen knows 2: Huawei is widely believed to be very strong in technology, and can even lead to all kinds of technological developments around the world. Now there is a view that the reason why the United States attacks Huawei is that it now needs to weaken Huawei's strength to suppress Huawei, and even to suppress Huawei's future development in China. What do you think of such a statement?
Ren Zhengfei: if we start from the perspective of repression, it actually helps us. Our sales revenue increased by 24.4% in the first three quarters because our employees worked hard for fear of the company's death. From this point of view, repression cannot contain one's efforts.
Ren Zhengfei: I don't think anyone from the U.S. government will come forward to help us with Huawei's export ban. It's unlikely to change the ban. If any member of the US Congress comes out to speak for Huawei, it will be criticized by other members of Congress. On the issue of containing Huawei, the United States is still relatively unified, so we have made preparations for the long-term irrevocable entity list.
10, Chen already know 2: before the interview, I read Mr. Tian Tao's book, "is Huawei the next one that will fall down"? The book mentions that Ren predicted in 2003 that there would be some conflicts between Huawei and European and American companies in the future. do you think the conflict that is happening now is the one that was foreseen in 2003? It has been 15 years since 2003. What kind of preparations has Huawei made?
Ren Zhengfei: in fact, today's conflicts are much more serious than we think. The United States has its own Wassenaar agreement and the management of class 00 materials, and has controlled that American technology cannot be used for military purposes by other countries. We were making goods for civil enterprises. We were worried that the United States would expand the scope of the control list. We couldn't buy parts, so we made some special parts ourselves. Today, it seems that we have never imagined that the U.S. attack will be so severe and serious, and we will bear such a big stick, which is still very heavy.
11. Chen knows 2: you mentioned just now that the domestic views on Huawei's export ban and entity list are relatively unified. Why is there a consensus in the United States on this issue?.
Ren Zhengfei: I don't think their politicians are unified. They don't say that enterprises are unified.
Chen already knows that there are two major political parties in the United States, the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Now both parties have a more unified view. Why do politicians have a more unified view?.
Ren Zhengfei: I don't know. Just like when Japan reached its peak in the 1970s and 1980s and almost bought the whole world, America wanted to suppress Japan. Later, they thought that the Soviet Union's military power was too strong. They wanted to strike the Soviet Union, leading to its disintegration into sixteen countries. Now the United States thinks that China will be like Japan and the Soviet Union, so it also wants to suppress China and slow down its development. But they didn't expect that only when China develops will there be more money to buy American planes, American cars, American food and other products. If China's economy really collapses, it will also drag down the American economy.
Just now you mentioned that the "list of entities" will remain for a relatively long time, and you also mentioned that Huawei will help popularize 5G in the future, or even be conservative and see the future of 6G in 10 years' time. With regard to the development of 5G and 6G, will the crackdown in the United States have a negative impact, or will Huawei have any ways to overcome the negative impact?
Ren Zhengfei: we need to invest more in basic research and theoretical research to make up for the difficulties of some new theories and technologies we can't buy from the world and keep pace with the world.
Chen knows 2: even if the United States does not export relevant components and technologies to Huawei for a long time in the future, Huawei can maintain this pace of growth.
Ren Zhengfei: the United States does not export, and Europe, Japan... Many countries.
Chen knows 2: you just mentioned basic research or theoretical research. Some universities and research institutions in the United States have stopped cooperating with Huawei on research. Will this have an impact on basic research and theoretical research?.
Ren Zhengfei: there are many universities in the world, not only in America.
Chen knows 2: at present, there are various technologies or products in the United States, such as some semiconductors, operating systems, such as American Google products, Qualcomm chips. Do you think that even without these things, 5G can continue to develop? can you understand this?
Ren Zhengfei: Yes.
Chen knows two: now some people think that this is a kind of decoupling or separation in disguised form, although the United States may not try to achieve such an effect. In the future, only the technology owned by China or only the United States will realize two technological circles, or even the two economic circles of China and the United States. Do you think there is such a possibility?
Ren Zhengfei: No. If chips made by Qualcomm and chips made by Huawei can't communicate with each other, then one person should bring two mobile phones. You see, it used to be very difficult for mobile phones to export files, but now it is very fast, because there is a unified standard. Therefore, two standards and three standards slow the progress of the world. Some politicians may think so, but people will not choose this path.
13. Mu lixiaoliang, director of Shanghai Branch of Kyodo: first, this morning Germany officially announced that it will not exclude Huawei from 5g. What do you think? Second, at a very early stage, the Japanese government decided to exclude Huawei, and the results were not verified. At the very beginning, it was necessary to exclude Huawei. What do you think about this?
Ren Zhengfei: first of all, we very much welcome the fact based approach of Germany and the EU, which puts forward higher safety standards for all suppliers, rather than arbitrarily excluding manufacturers from participating in 5g construction. I am very supportive of the European digital sovereignty strategy, because in the past our wealth was minerals, agricultural products... It has a lot to do with how much land it owns, which is called geopolitics. The data of information system has no national boundaries and can fly all over the world. If a country determines its digital sovereignty, it establishes its national sovereignty over information wealth. We very much support and support the practice of Germany and the EU. The way of operation of this approach is that an enterprise should promise not to do bad things in advance, and then audit whether it has done bad things afterwards. If it has not done any bad things, it is a good company, which is based on facts rather than subjective judgment.
Second, as for the Japanese government, we can understand. It's their right for customers to choose what kind of goods they want. We also sell goods. Because it's Hermes, you can't ask everyone to buy it.
14. Chensi II: as for Huawei's mobile phone market in Japan, Huawei's smart phone is welcomed by the masses in Japan. If Huawei's mobile phone does not have Google's operating system in the future, Japanese people will not necessarily choose the new Huawei's mobile phone coming out in the future. As an individual user, I am also very worried about this. Does Huawei have any countermeasures or opinions?
Ren Zhengfei: we can understand that some consumers may not choose Huawei mobile phones for some time, but we will try to change the status quo.
Chensi 2: is the direction of our efforts to build our own operating system to develop its ecosystem?
Ren Zhengfei: I'm not sure I can do it now, but let's work hard.
Chensi 2: 5g and 6G networks will be popularized in the future. Will 5g and 6G terminals appear simultaneously?
Ren Zhengfei: yes.
Chensichi 2: I use more terminals for personal use, such as mobile phones, tablet computers and PC computers. Will there be some innovative things in the terminals in the future, see the terminals I haven't seen?
Ren Zhengfei: yes, there will be a lot of terminals in the future, and all of them can be connected without reimporting. How does software give people experience? Is to rely on the terminal. Because the software is untouchable, can not grasp, to rely on the terminal, the terminal will also be a variety of future, not just mobile phones.
Chen has known two: the future is beyond our imagination. My first time in Beijing was from 1997 to 2000. There was atelevisionIn theory, there will be something like a smart phone in the future, the staff said. After taking the video, it will be sent to another mobile phone. At that time, people thought that he was joking and laughing at him, but after ten years, it has been realized.
Ren Zhengfei: send you a CD-ROMs, which is a party on the 70th anniversary of China's National Day. Tens of thousands of people performed cartoons at that time, which were transmitted with our 5G help TV station. Your media is very clear, using traditional technology is not able to shoot such a big scene, high quality, rapidly changing tens of thousands of people can see everything clearly, without any Catton, you can experience the application of 5G in radio and television. When we looked at the parade, we saw some people carrying a small backpack, that is, a small base station, with a camera in front of it, passing it through the base station to CCTV for editing. If you can capture and transmit such a high-quality picture, the media will understand the use of 5G.
This is tens of thousands of people's performance, the fast-changing animation, the theme of expression is "people's joy". 5g is all provided by Huawei.
15. Chen Jizhi 2: the United States will accuse Huawei of stealing some information, and even impose a series of sanctions on China for this reason. However, to date, no specific evidence has been presented by the United States. Did the United States directly present the evidence they got to president Ren?
Ren Zhengfei: It should be said that Huawei has been the most strict supervision of the whole world over the past ten years, and every country will suspect us, every intelligence agency will stare at us, some problems have been found early. The "wall" of Huawei's IT network is to be fixed by "American brick", not to defend the United States, not to prevent other countries, only to prevent the vicious competition from stealing our technology, they all look very clearly. So far, there is no evidence of the problems we have.
Chen Sichi 2: the society generally believes that the United States or Europe and the United States are very strict with domestic information management. There is a saying that the Chinese government may have access to some relevant information through laws and regulations. It is even said that Huawei's unreliability is related to China's social system and social system. What do you think?
Ren Zhengfei: we are an honest businessman who will fulfill the spirit of being responsible for our customers and will never have any other incorrect behavior.
16. Mu lixiaoliang: if you remember correctly, you should celebrate your 75th birthday on October 25. Although Mr. Ren is a super figure, after all, he has not yet achieved immortality. Have you started to think about the successor? Are you sure which is the successor? If not, what are the expectations for Huawei's successors in the next decade or two to maintain its leading position?
Ren Zhengfei: our company has no problems in the institutional succession mechanism. Succession is not a designated replacement, but an institutional succession. I can send you my speech at the shareholders' meeting, which has been made very clear.
I don't actually have the power at the operational level. What I have is a veto, but I haven't veto it. Originally, the veto expired at the end of last year. We are afraid that once all employees vote after an emergency, the enterprise will go astray, so we continue to retain the veto. But it's not for me to veto it alone, nor for my family to inherit it. Instead, from the members of the board of directors, the board of supervisors and senior leaders who have retired from the historical stage, seven people are elected to form a core elite team to have the veto power, so as to ensure that the company doesn't disperse without coaxing.
17. Chen Sichi 2: just mentioned the family affairs, is there anything new about Meng in Canada now?
Ren Zhengfei: or according to the judicial procedure, step by step to solve the problem.
18, CHEN Si Zhi two: the Chinese government is promoting the "one belt and one way" policy. Has HUAWEI participated in or supported the "one belt and one road" policy?
Ren Zhengfei: HUAWEI is not involved in the "one belt and one way" project, because the "one belt and one road" is all infrastructure construction. The electronic equipment we sell is very small, and there is no contract in the "one belt and one road".
19. Chen Jizhi 2: the latest number of Huawei employees is 188000 in the world. Does the Sino US trade war affect the number of employees? Will it decrease?
Ren Zhengfei: the number of employees has increased to 194000, an increase of thousands. Because we have to make up a lot of holes, and we need more talented people to come in.
Chen has learned two: new employee recruitment is not limited to domestic?
Ren Zhengfei: global.
Chen Sichi 2: has Huawei paid special attention to some regions in the global recruitment? For example, in India, these countries are very strong in science and engineering. Have they strengthened their efforts?
Ren Zhengfei: we don't have much restrictions. It is the United States that has restrictions. Because American contact with us is not allowed by the American government, and as soon as it is thought to have an American element, it will step in. Therefore, it is a great loss for us not to hire these outstanding talents in the United States. There are no restrictions in other countries and regions.
Chensi 2: there are many excellent Chinese or Chinese in American universities or research institutions and regions like Silicon Valley who are under pressure in the United States. Do many Chinese in the United States come back to China to join Huawei?
Ren Zhengfei: if you are a foreign student of Chinese nationality, it is OK; Chinese who have already joined the United States are restricted, including holding an American green card, all within the jurisdiction of the United States.
20. CHEN Si Zhi 2: what do you want most now, Mr. Ren? What do you want most?
Ren Zhengfei: still trust, I hope more people in the world can give us trust. I meet with the media frequently, in fact, I want to send a message through you, let the society understand us, get rid of our mysterious veil. Originally we did not have a veil, but after everyone told the story, we were covered with a veil.
21. Chen Sichi II: we should be the first Japanese media to interview Mr. Ren alone. We are very honored and happy to have this opportunity. Does your frank and frank communication with us this time mean that you have great expectations for Japan?
Ren Zhengfei: I have always had great hope for Japan. The first choice for my daughter's second foreign language is Japanese and the third foreign language is French.
Chen Sichi 2: I heard that you not only come to Japan for work, but also visit Japan frequently?
Ren Zhengfei: Yes, to travel.
CHEN Si Zhi 2: where do you like in Japan?
Ren Zhengfei: too many. I've basically traveled all over Japan, from Kyushu to Hokkaido, in cities and villages of all sizes. I often tell you that Japan is the ultimate tourist destination in the world. You don't need to designate a place. You can live in any small mountain village for a long time, because every mountain village is very clean and ramen is delicious.
Chen already knows two: does Ren always have some hobbies?
Ren Zhengfei: work, watch TV.
Chen knows 2: president Xi will visit Japan next year. Have you considered that you can come to Japan with President Xi during his visit to Japan?
Ren Zhengfei: I want to go to Japan anytime.
Chen Sichi 2: do you have any security concerns when you visit Japan?
Ren Zhengfei: no worries.
22. Muli Xiaoliang: Huawei has businesses in more than 170 countries, with a total of 194000 employees. Now we see that there are only Chinese members on the board of directors of Huawei, or local offices around the world. Most of the executives of local subsidiaries are still from China, with few local executives. Have you considered introducing more local executives to the board of directors or local subsidiaries in this regard, so as to further realize Huawei's openness and transparency?
Ren Zhengfei: there are already a lot of local senior executives. We have more than 30000 foreign employees, as well as a lot of foreign employees on the board of directors of grass-roots subsidiaries. In the board of directors of the head office, the most important thing is to have qualifications. If foreign employees do not work from the grassroots level of Huawei, then entering the board of directors is just a device without power. Because the members of the board of directors are all of their own, not appointed by me. If they have a "mountain head", they will occupy a position. Therefore, foreign employees also need to fight like this to occupy the position. We are very open to foreign employees. Two thirds of the skilled workers are foreign employees.
Chen Sichi 2: Thank you for accepting our interview today. Today's interview is very different from what you think. It's very meaningful to hear some frank answers from you. Thank you very much.